Apples intentions (My Opinion)

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Montalicious

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OK first off let me say something, i DON'T own an iPhone, but i have played with one for a long time, my friend has one and he's one of my best friends so he lets me mess w/ it a lot. and i love it, ok i'm not here to rant on how it's good though..

but from what i'm reading, and what i'm seeing... i think Apple is up to something, nothing bad though

has anyone else noticed that every single thing that we have noticed that is wrong with this phone can EASILY be fixed w/ a cute little update? i sweawr this phone has every piece of great hardware in it.. i bet Apple released the phone, and is waiting to read forums and have their genius crew come up w/ an astounding update that REALLY makes everyone go crazy with happiness, that way people would be like ZOMG iPhone IS AWESOME and then for a little bit they'll be like, hm theres a few things wrong and BAM UPDATE and OMFG THIS PHONE IS TOTALLY AWESOME AND ABOVE ALL AND GREAT..

anyone else think this?
 

mac29

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Yes, lets HOPE your right. What if Apple doesn't fix all these issues? then what do us iPhone owners do? I really hope thats not the case..
 

veedubcos

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OK first off let me say something, i DON'T own an iPhone, but i have played with one for a long time, my friend has one and he's one of my best friends so he lets me mess w/ it a lot. and i love it, ok i'm not here to rant on how it's good though..

but from what i'm reading, and what i'm seeing... i think Apple is up to something, nothing bad though

has anyone else noticed that every single thing that we have noticed that is wrong with this phone can EASILY be fixed w/ a cute little update? i sweawr this phone has every piece of great hardware in it.. i bet Apple released the phone, and is waiting to read forums and have their genius crew come up w/ an astounding update that REALLY makes everyone go crazy with happiness, that way people would be like ZOMG iPhone IS AWESOME and then for a little bit they'll be like, hm theres a few things wrong and BAM UPDATE and OMFG THIS PHONE IS TOTALLY AWESOME AND ABOVE ALL AND GREAT..

anyone else think this?
Of course, but other people will keep bashing the phone regardless. The way I see it is just ignorance for people that have nothing else better to do other than bash on the phone.. it is great the way it is, it'll be better when the update comes... period.
 

BegginJM

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Most people that have seen my iPhone have responded with "I keep hearing that there are a lot of issues with it". When an item like the iPhone has been so eagerly anticipated and advertised, and generated the publicity that the it has, the general public will hear the negatives more so than the positives. If Apple responds, via updates, in a positive manner, then the General Image should improve as positive publicity improves.

I, however, have never really cared about what the general public thinks. It works well for me! I would hope that significant sales would encourage Apple to further improve their product and continually provide more options and updates.
 

Montalicious

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lmao, my friend had his iPhone out and this girl goes, i heard that phone breaks a lot, i like my sidekick a lot better, he dropped it on the floor, clean onto the hardwood floor, the phone was still flawless, then he goes, lets see your phone do that.. later i was like wtf were you thinking?

he watched the video on how it doesn't even hurt the phone on pc world lol
 

Norwest

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Yes, lets HOPE your right. What if Apple doesn't fix all these issues? then what do us iPhone owners do? I really hope thats not the case..
They will issue software updates. I'm quite certain of that and anybody who thinks otherwise is nuts. That's the whole purpose of having a real OS. They are in the unique position to offer .... get ready for it ... commercial stand alone applications for the iPhone that you can buy via iTunes and install to your mobile mac iPhone.

They said "no third party apps". They never said "no apps". It's a no brainer.

The only question is when. Nobody knows for sure but the general thought is late this fall when the new desktop OS debuts... October/November.

The thing is this... when new hardware is released that works there are no quick updates. ONLY when there are major bugs that affect operation will a software company rush a fix out. The battery thing is not even that as they've already stated it's charging fully, the software just doesn't reflect it sometimes. If there's a problem with the actual battery itself it won't be corrected with software.

So... here's a phone that's working as advertised without major bugs. The timeline won't change and it won't be a rush to fix something that isn't broken.

I expect the first software update to add features that will immediately attract new buyers who were on the fence. Something sweet that will draw media attention and keep the hype going.

Before Christmas.
 

ja_vo

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Hell Yes....

Thats whay they are doing, they don't want to think and wait 3 years and figure out all the bugs for them self, they are doing that so that we can figure out what is wrong with the iPhone and than they can fix it...........
 

iHuman

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norwest, i agree with your post, but, i think Apple was right on the money. I think that people need to think forward. Applications are going to be switching to a web based format sooner than later. We will buy subscriptions to "micro$oft word" or "photoshop" online. With faster bandwidth and bigger storage/servers, we'll see more companies moving toward this approach. You can already do that with micro$oft office. That is the pioneer aspect of this phone.
 

TrippalHealicks

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Yes, lets HOPE your right. What if Apple doesn't fix all these issues? then what do us iPhone owners do? I really hope thats not the case..
You be happy with what you paid 600$ for. No one every promised updates that "fix" anything. If they never release any updates, i'll be ok.
 

jbaraga

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IMO, Apple's true intentions are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY bigger than just having a cute little phone in people's hands that they periodically update to keep everyone happy.

This device - just like the iPod - is a huge part of Apple's efforts to capture more of the personal computing market. Computers are, and probably always will be, Apple's core businesss. Any additional products they bring to market are going to try and get people familiar with their brand, their user interface, their form factor, and the ease of use that Apple is famous for. Unlike Microsoft, Apple controls the software, hardware and accessory market for their world instead of just software.

With devices like the iPod and iPhone, Apple is trying to create a customer base that understands the value of their products and brand on a smaller scale and will be willing to move on to the next level. iPod users become iPhone users. iPhone users become Mac users. I'll be the first to admit that I've followed the first two steps of this migration path, and I've already made the decision that the next home computer for my wife and me will be an iMac, and my next notebook with be a MacBook Pro.

Apple didn't build a phone just for the sake of building a phone. They're a smart company that realizes the brand building power a device like that can have. It's not going to happen overnight, but Apple is going to continue to take bigger bites out of the personal computing market, and they'll have their iPods & iPhones to thank for it.
 

BegginJM

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IMO, Apple's true intentions are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY bigger than just having a cute little phone in people's hands that they periodically update to keep everyone happy.

This device - just like the iPod - is a huge part of Apple's efforts to capture more of the personal computing market. Computers are, and probably always will be, Apple's core businesss. Any additional products they bring to market are going to try and get people familiar with their brand, their user interface, their form factor, and the ease of use that Apple is famous for. Unlike Microsoft, Apple controls the software, hardware and accessory market for their world instead of just software.

With devices like the iPod and iPhone, Apple is trying to create a customer base that understands the value of their products and brand on a smaller scale and will be willing to move on to the next level. iPod users become iPhone users. iPhone users become Mac users. I'll be the first to admit that I've followed the first two steps of this migration path, and I've already made the decision that the next home computer for my wife and me will be an iMac, and my next notebook with be a MacBook Pro.

Apple didn't build a phone just for the sake of building a phone. They're a smart company that realizes the brand building power a device like that can have. It's not going to happen overnight, but Apple is going to continue to take bigger bites out of the personal computing market, and they'll have their iPods & iPhones to thank for it.
Nice observation!:cool:
 

kdarling

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They will issue software updates. I'm quite certain of that and anybody who thinks otherwise is nuts. That's the whole purpose of having a real OS. They are in the unique position to offer .... get ready for it ... commercial stand alone applications for the iPhone that you can buy via iTunes and install to your mobile mac iPhone.
Not sure what you mean. Most phones have an updateable OS, and downloadable commercial applications. For that matter, you don't even need what most people think of as a "real OS", to do those things.

The thing is this... when new hardware is released that works there are no quick updates. ONLY when there are major bugs that affect operation will a software company rush a fix out.
True, especially when the first software release had some bugs that could've been found with more widespread testing. This will make them more careful the next time.

I'm wondering how they're going to handle staggered software updates. Consider: you don't want to update all at the same time. If you thought activation was a nightmare, updating all the phones at once with huge patches will be far worse.

If it were me (and I've done this so many times with huge releases, I've lost count), I'd update a thousand at a time, and wait a day or two to see if anything terrible occurs.

So how do you choose which devices to update? Most likely by serial number ranges.

Of course, once Apple gives away iPhones to all their employees, they will get to be the beta testers from now on. Something which, frankly, they should've done before launch.
 

jbellanca

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This device - just like the iPod - is a huge part of Apple's efforts to capture more of the personal computing market. Computers are, and probably always will be, Apple's core businesss. Any additional products they bring to market are going to try and get people familiar with their brand, their user interface, their form factor, and the ease of use that Apple is famous for. Unlike Microsoft, Apple controls the software, hardware and accessory market for their world instead of just software.

With devices like the iPod and iPhone, Apple is trying to create a customer base that understands the value of their products and brand on a smaller scale and will be willing to move on to the next level. iPod users become iPhone users. iPhone users become Mac users. I'll be the first to admit that I've followed the first two steps of this migration path, and I've already made the decision that the next home computer for my wife and me will be an iMac, and my next notebook with be a MacBook Pro.

You hit the nail right on the head. We also have made the same decision... after getting an iPhone, I thought, maybe I should check out Macs and see if they'll work in my everyday life. I'm taking those first steps now. If I like what I see after a little while, then absolutely our next PC's will be Apples.
 

Norwest

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Not sure what you mean. Most phones have an updateable OS, and downloadable commercial applications. For that matter, you don't even need what most people think of as a "real OS", to do those things.
True, but that's based on the previous paradigm. "Those things" are being redefined by Apple here. It started with the UI and it's not done yet. So you may in fact need a "real OS" (or a new type of compact OS) to do some of the things that Apple may eventually do here.

I have a feeling that not every cellphone OS currently in use is not capable of doing some of the things that this OS is. There's lots underneath yet to be tapped... I think.

Of course I don't know that for sure. I do know as a VB programmar that I could do many of the same things other people did in C, but the overhead was far greater and performance suffered in comparison. I imagine the iPhone OS to be more than just a "typical" mobile OS... something much closer to a real desktop operating system. We'll see I suppose.

As far as the downloading...

Downloading apps is nothing new as you say. I was just pointing out that nobody was considering that possibility, of eventually downloading Apple's iPhone apps via iTunes like we do songs and videos. iTunes will grow, as we've already seen screenshots of the mystery "ringtones" tab.

The focus seems to remain on the lack of 3rd party apps as if that's the only avenue for stand alone enhancement with commercial apps.

How about 1st party? :laugh2: I'm game for that. If they post it I will come.
 

PhatKid

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Yes, lets HOPE your right. What if Apple doesn't fix all these issues? then what do us iPhone owners do? I really hope thats not the case..
If they don't fix the issues, then perhaps we'll continue what we're doing and find other ways to make the phone more enjoyable. There are very talented hackers and people who know how to manipulate the system. They can find ways to change things if not fix problems completely. Granted, a fix from Apple would be much much much more practical and desirable, but if not, necessity is the mother of invention.