Did Apple actually TELL us that they will be issuing major updates?

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SmartAlx

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Please excuse my skepticism, but the rumors and facts are getting confusing, so I'd like this question actually factually answered.

Before iDay a lot of people assumed that Apple would surprise us with things like A2DP and GPS and MMS, and yet, sure enough, the phone matched up with the advertised specs, and nothing more. A lot of Apple fans were a little bit let down that the Apple they knew and loved didn’t delight their fans with surprises.

So we are all assuming that Apple is going to issue major updates to give us things like MMS, better email, Copy/Paste and even A2DP. But on what are we basing these assumptions: past experience with the iPod or some other device, or a quote by Steve? It’s pretty clear that Apple is treating the iPhone differently than it has with other devices in the past, so using the former as evidence is not convincing to me. So I’d like to focus on the latter. I’d like a real answer to this question:

Has Apple in fact told us that they will be issuing major updates?
(Of course, aside from the wifiTunes one that’s going to give them even more money.)

If they have, can you please cite your source and provide a link?
 

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search jobs says Apple to please iPhone users with software updates. Its on engadet. If my phone had copy paste I'd shoe you. He also echoed that in London a few days ago by saying that the good thing about the phone was that the software could add new features. They have video on macrumors.
 

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search jobs says Apple to please iPhone users with software updates. Its on engadet. If my phone had copy paste I'd shoe you. He also echoed that in London a few days ago by saying that the good thing about the phone was that the software could add new features. They have video on macrumors.
Man I hope you are right. Everybody's bulls**t stories about how their brothers girl friend over heard an Apple employee blah blah blah are all lies! I for one am sick of getting my hopes up for an update only to be let down time and time again.
 

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Please excuse my skepticism, but the rumors and facts are getting confusing, so I'd like this question actually factually answered.

Before iDay a lot of people assumed that Apple would surprise us with things like A2DP and GPS and MMS, and yet, sure enough, the phone matched up with the advertised specs, and nothing more. A lot of Apple fans were a little bit let down that the Apple they knew and loved didn’t delight their fans with surprises.

So we are all assuming that Apple is going to issue major updates to give us things like MMS, better email, Copy/Paste and even A2DP. But on what are we basing these assumptions: past experience with the iPod or some other device, or a quote by Steve? It’s pretty clear that Apple is treating the iPhone differently than it has with other devices in the past, so using the former as evidence is not convincing to me. So I’d like to focus on the latter. I’d like a real answer to this question:

Has Apple in fact told us that they will be issuing major updates?
(Of course, aside from the wifiTunes one that’s going to give them even more money.)

If they have, can you please cite your source and provide a link?
You're kidding right? We're talking about a $400 (or $600 originally) cell phone/Smartphone, running a subset of the Mac OS, with the ability to easily update via OTA or USB. It doesn't matter what Steve promised, wrote it in blood, or whatever, the INDUSTRY EXPECTS a device like this to receive bugfix updates as well as content updates.

My god, the RAZR phone received content updates, and it didn't have expandable storage available!

Apple would be a laughing stock if they didn't provide any content updates, that would definitely imply "Thanks for your cash, you sucker!".

At the barest minimum, if they weren't to offer any content upgrades, they would need to open the OS to easy customization and apps uploading. And even then, opening it wouldn't be enough in my opinion.

In today's technical market, a $10 throw away cell, or a $5 keyring "music player" might not be upgradeable, but that's about it.
 

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Apple, as one would expect, has said and will continue to say nothing. Until it happens, consider it rumor. Some rumor generators are more proven than others, but it's all still rumor.

That said, iPhone will evolve. It can't not. The next step will be the end of the month, when it gets WiFi iTMS and (imo) some other tweaks like a Contacts app. Hardware improvements will come later, but they will as well. The revolution has happened, now on to the evolution. :cool:

-K
 

SmartAlx

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You're kidding right?
Would you care to answer my question instead of attempting to hijack the discussion.

This discussion isn't about whether or not the phone is capable or if the industry expects Apple do upgrade it. It's about whether or not Apple ANNOUNCED that they would be providing upgrades.

ahduke99, LOL. The first hit that came up when I searched for "Apple to please iPhone users with software updates" was Jobs Says Apple Will Fight iPhone Unlocking Hacks.

Yeah, I searched for what you said, and I can't find it. I even filtered everything out except for engadget.com.

I'm sure the article exists, but even so, Jobs saying that the phone COULD be updated with new features doesn't mean that he told us that he WOULD update the phone with new features. It's close. I'll grant you that. But it's still not quite an admission.

Furthermore, if this RECENT quote is the only one that's ever publicly stated anything about Apple adding features, then that tells me that the previous rumors had nothing to base their beliefs upon, except of course their experience with Steve and Apple and their personal expectation that the power in this device would not go to waste, as Prelector is saying.

Thank you for the contribution ahduke99.
 

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http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...-free-iphone-apple-tv-features-over-time/9893


there is another one .. Apple clearly says they will add new applications over time free of charge.

i hope iTunes wifi isn't the only thing we see over time.
Ah, excellent. I'll shut up now.

I am a bit confused by this statement though:
Consequently, the company will account for each iPhone’s revenue over a subscription-style 24-month period rather than all at the time of sale.
Kind of seems to contradict:
since iPhone customers will likely be our best advocates for the product, we want to get them many of these new additional features and applications at no additional charge as they become available.
I guess they are only addressing their INTERNAL accounting? That could explain why they charged $600 for the phones. They had to tack on 2 years of updates.

Well Steve! I paid an extra $200 (-$100 in Apple products) 3 months ago. Where is my promised update?
 

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Would you care to answer my question instead of attempting to hijack the discussion.

This discussion isn't about whether or not the phone is capable or if the industry expects Apple do upgrade it. It's about whether or not Apple ANNOUNCED that they would be providing upgrades.

ahduke99, LOL. The first hit that came up when I searched for "Apple to please iPhone users with software updates" was Jobs Says Apple Will Fight iPhone Unlocking Hacks.

Yeah, I searched for what you said, and I can't find it. I even filtered everything out except for engadget.com.

I'm sure the article exists, but even so, Jobs saying that the phone COULD be updated with new features doesn't mean that he told us that he WOULD update the phone with new features. It's close. I'll grant you that. But it's still not quite an admission.

Furthermore, if this RECENT quote is the only one that's ever publicly stated anything about Apple adding features, then that tells me that the previous rumors had nothing to base their beliefs upon, except of course their experience with Steve and Apple and their personal expectation that the power in this device would not go to waste, as Prelector is saying.

Thank you for the contribution ahduke99.
I fail to see how I'm "attempting to hijack" this thread, since my reply was, at a minimum, directly related to the topic.

My reply was meant to show that Apple had an implied agreement to provide content updates to the iPhone, based on industry history for similar devices, and based on Apples history for it's devices. This is further reinforced by it's locking down the device, making it impossible for 3rd parties to provide these content updates. (And yes, it is impossible to load 3rd party native apps without voiding the warranty)

As an example: Has Apple STATED that they would provide content updates to OS X Leopard? I did an admittedly quick search for this, and didn't find anything. So, by your implied reasoning, it would be perfectly OK for Apple to never release any new features to Leopard? Admittedly not an Apples to Apples comparison, since Leopard does support 3rd party development, making it LESS required for Apple since they've allowed others...
 

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no, Apple didn't say leopard would add function to the iPhone. besides, i doubt it will because the iPhone has to function on both a mac and PC. Apple wouldn't roll out features that relied on leopard to work. that would have nothing to do with im and mms support. it makes so sense to wait for leopard.
 

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I fail to see how I'm "attempting to hijack" this thread, since my reply was, at a minimum, directly related to the topic.
I'm sure you didn't realize that you were doing it since it's such a habit with all of us (even me - but I'm working on it), but any tangent... or any discussion that doesn't directly answer the question and instead leads to a tangent of the discussion is by definition a hijack.

I asked for direct proof. You can't provide a cite for your position since it's based on conjecture and opinion. In that regard, it was not directly related to my question, and so it was a hijack.

This discussion regarding whether or not your reply is a hijack, for example, is another hijack.
so...
(this is discussion group code for "end of hijack".) -> [/hijack]

[hijack]And not to sound judgmental nor to be a hijacking hypocrite; but, just a grammar lesson for your information: "it's" means "it is". "Its" (sans apostrophe) is the possessive form of "it".[/hijack]
 

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Man I hope you are right. Everybody's bulls**t stories about how their brothers girl friend over heard an Apple employee blah blah blah are all lies! I for one am sick of getting my hopes up for an update only to be let down time and time again.
what's this? a thread about updates and yet another negative remark from OJsakila? i'm shocked.

according to the Apple website, the Starbucks feature begins in New York on October 3rd. In order to access this, we need the Mobile Store. Although i don't find either one too interesting, it does lend to believe that an update is coming...and soon...whether it will satisfy those of you pissing and moaning about all the iPhone is missing remains to be told.
 

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Please explain to me the point of this thread. Is the OP an Apple shill? Why are we talking about this?

Apparently Stev-o stuffs cash down SmartAlx's pocket because he's gotta start threads to defend Apple policies that are probably not being criticised by most of the folks on here anyway. If you are talking about complainers, sure... sometimes they go overboard but they have a point... lack of cut and paste can be appalling.

Most of us like to celebrate the greatness that is iPhone. What I will NEVER do though, like SmartAlx, is try to rip the complainers a new one for voicing their opinion or using their right to free speech.

Shame on you.
 

Peter000

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Please explain to me the point of this thread. Is the OP an Apple shill? Why are we talking about this?

Apparently Stev-o stuffs cash down SmartAlx's pocket because he's gotta start threads to defend Apple policies that are probably not being criticised by most of the folks on here anyway. If you are talking about complainers, sure... sometimes they go overboard but they have a point... lack of cut and paste can be appalling.

Most of us like to celebrate the greatness that is iPhone. What I will NEVER do though, like SmartAlx, is try to rip the complainers a new one for voicing their opinion or using their right to free speech.

Shame on you.
What's you're issue? It's a perfectly fine and legitimate topic to talk about.

And one of the cutting edges of free speech is that everyone has it, and when a person uses that freedom, other's have the freedom to respond, even in a negative way! Imagine that.

Besides, there's no freedom of speech rights in a private forum.
 

SmartAlx

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Please explain to me the point of this thread. Is the OP an Apple shill? Why are we talking about this?

Apparently Stev-o stuffs cash down SmartAlx's pocket
I wish.
because he's gotta start threads to defend Apple policies that are probably not being criticised by most of the folks on here anyway.
Take another look at the beginning of the OP. I do believe my first words were, "forgive my skepticism" meaning, I WAS SKEPTICAL ABOUT APPLE EVER GIVING US A MAJOR UPDATE! Does that sound like an Apple shill to you?
If you are talking about complainers, sure... sometimes they go overboard
No they don't. Fanboys are louder than imoaners. Proof
but they have a point... lack of cut and paste can be appalling.
At last we agree.
Most of us like to celebrate the greatness that is iPhone.
As do I.
What I will NEVER do though, like SmartAlx, is try to rip the complainers a new one for voicing their opinion or using their right to free speech.
LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOOLLLLLL! You obviously don't know my reputation on this board. And I have 4 times as many posts as you. I arrived here about a month before iDay. I've been anticipating the iPhone for 2 years. I am NOT a macfan. Though I do understand why some people love Apple, it's not for me.

Believe you me, I am alllllllllll about free speech.
http://forums.everythingicafe.com/t...lly-get-more-criticism-than-it-deserves.6142/
http://forums.everythingicafe.com/threads/people-stop-updating-itunes.10473/
http://forums.everythingicafe.com/threads/flaws-and-uneasiness-ive-noticed-so-far-with-iphone.10350/
http://forums.everythingicafe.com/threads/major-update-instead-of-100-back.9704/
http://forums.everythingicafe.com/threads/angry-iphone-owner-in-houston.9155/

In fact, I'm one of the LOUDEST proponents of toning down the blind macfanboyism and allowing people to voice their criticisms on this board, even though I do love my iPhone.
Shame on you.
The nerve. Get your facts straight buddy. And how about paying those 3 stars below my name some respect?

Vote Ron Paul.
 
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AngelJO008

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no, Apple didn't say leopard would add function to the iPhone. besides, i doubt it will because the iPhone has to function on both a mac and PC. Apple wouldn't roll out features that relied on leopard to work. that would have nothing to do with im and mms support. it makes so sense to wait for leopard.
but it does make sense since Apple likes to make the experience far better when "combining" Apple products. True the iPhone works with Windows, but in Apple's eyes, the experience is far better when coupled with the mac OS X leopard, since leopard is what the iPhone's OS is based on in part.
 

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The nerve. Get your facts straight buddy. And how about paying those 3 stars below my name some respect?
Hah! Maybe I did go overboard. I'm sorry I got all over you.

So I was in "teh" IRC channel today and someone in there brought up a good point. Most or all the major updates we know of are designed to bring dollars to Apple's pockets. Ringtones. iTunes store.

Makes perfect sense to me.

There will be NO MMS, NO cut and paste, NO any of those other things. I think that's a fairly safe assumption.
 
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If they wanted to do everything for the money, why make an amazing ipod app or sms app or weather, stocks, and maps. None of that gives them anything. They made it to make us happy. Sorry for getting this thread more off topic but Apple usually-emphasis on usually- makes their customers happy. And i believe some Apple employees are employed to read the forums and tell the developers about updates. The ringtones thing on iTunes is the only thing i think is gay or stupid. The wifi iTunes, its a great idea... very important for on the go people that want some fresh music...NOW.

Also i don't think Apple would leave 3 blanks on the screen...doesn't seem right coming from Apple...they like to be symmetrical... I would say the last 3 are used by games, IM, and a document editor and/or viewer.


This whole post is off rumors and my personal opinions, do not take as fact, as it seems so important in this thread.

Also whoever made the comment about ' i have double the posts compared to you'. That's retarded. Thats the equivalent of saying a kid thats been playing a sport for 10 out of 14 years of his life is worse then an adult that just started. I mean seriously...
 

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How someone speaks and what they say can tell a lot about what they intend to do. A behavior specialist and a psyc major can sit in a room and watch jobs then tell you everything that's coming in about ten minutes.

If you listen to the original keynote on debuting the iPhone jobs clearly stated that the iPhone would never need to be changed because he could add ANYTHING he wanted with a software update - hence the reason why the buttons are digital.

He also said he WOULD change the phone in the future through software updates and add new features, items.

All that is really left to speculate is when and no one is ever going to know that.
 

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Hah! Maybe I did go overboard. I'm sorry I got all over you.
Sokay.
So I was in "teh" IRC channel today and someone in there brought up a good point. Most or all the major updates we know of are designed to bring dollars to Apple's pockets. Ringtones. iTunes store.
That's what we've been saying all along.

Also whoever made the comment about ' i have double the posts compared to you'. That's retarded. Thats the equivalent of saying a kid thats been playing a sport for 10 out of 14 years of his life is worse then an adult that just started. I mean seriously...[/quote]I mentioned that not because it was important to me, but because it was important to him. I used it to show how he hadn't paid attention to who he was talking about: an Apple shill wouldn't have 400 posts.He also said he WOULD change the phone in the future through software updates and add new features, items.[/quote]Ok, how about a cite there one1? You mentioned the keynote. Did he mention it there? If that's where you heard it, how about giving the time in which he said it. Thanks.
 
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