Newbie Tackles Jailbreak

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Yes, you could have saved an SHSH for each firmware while it was the current version. The signing window for all ten firmware versions prior to 4.3.5 has closed, so it's too late to save 4.3.4 and lower.

We'll all have to wait for an untethered jailbreak for 5.0. I have all of my 4.x firmware SHSHs saved but I have no advantage over you with 5.0. SHSHs only help you restore to outdated firmware. 5.0 hasn't even been released yet.

(The above are quotes from Europa from previous thread.)
 

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Yes, you could have saved an SHSH for each firmware while it was the current version. The signing window for all ten firmware versions prior to 4.3.5 has closed, so it's too late to save 4.3.4 and lower.

We'll all have to wait for an untethered jailbreak for 5.0. I have all of my 4.x firmware SHSHs saved but I have no advantage over you with 5.0. SHSHs only help you restore to outdated firmware. 5.0 hasn't even been released yet.

(The above are quotes from Europa from previous thread.)
To clarify, you don't have to download firmware to save the SHSH. Even if you don't download you should save if you want to update later?

I know everyone has to wait to be able to
JB 5.0, but at least you have all the features from the 4.x updates while I am stuck at 4.0.1 :(
 

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To clarify, you don't have to download firmware to save the SHSH. Even if you don't download you should save if you want to update later?

I know everyone has to wait to be able to
JB 5.0, but at least you have all the features from the 4.x updates while I am stuck at 4.0.1 :(
Correct. You do not have to actually install or download a firmware to save an SHSH for it. For example, I am still on 4.3.1, but I have SHSHs saved for 4.3.2, 4.3.3, 4.3.4 and 4.3.5. They are automatically saved in Cydia after you save the first one on the device. For example, if you had saved 4.1 last fall when it was the current firmware, you would now have 4.1 - 4.3.5 SHSHs saved in Cydia, regardless of the fact that you are still on 4.0.2 and never updated to any of them.

Yes, I have an advantage right now in that I can install 4.3.3 and have an untethered jailbreak if I want, but I have no advantages as far as 5.0 goes. 5.0 hasn't been released yet, so none of us have a 5.0 SHSH yet. Furthermore, the 5.0 SHSH is useless until 5.0.1 comes out. Saving SHSHs is preventive maintenance.

You aren't stuck at 4.0.1, though. You could update to 4.3.5 and have all the advantages of the lastest Apple firmware - you just can't have an untethered jailbreak along with it.
 

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Correct. You do not have to actually install or download a firmware to save an SHSH for it. For example, I am still on 4.3.1, but I have SHSHs saved for 4.3.2, 4.3.3, 4.3.4 and 4.3.5. They are automatically saved in Cydia after you save the first one on the device. For example, if you had saved 4.1 last fall when it was the current firmware, you would now have 4.1 - 4.3.5 SHSHs saved in Cydia, regardless of the fact that you are still on 4.0.2 and never updated to any of them.

Yes, I have an advantage right now in that I can install 4.3.3 and have an untethered jailbreak if I want, but I have no advantages as far as 5.0 goes. 5.0 hasn't been released yet, so none of us have a 5.0 SHSH yet.

Furthermore, the 5.0 SHSH is useless until
5.0.1 comes out. Saving SHSHs is preventive maintenance.

Sorry I must have deleted the quote and at the moment I'm struggling with my phone and this ridiculous software and I am trying my best to cope. Look, I will say this one more time: I realize EVERYONE who jailbreaks will have to wait. But, while you are waiting you can enjoy the updates of 4.x that you've

You aren't stuck at 4.0.1, though. You could update to 4.3.5 and have all the advantages of the lastest Apple firmware - you just can't have an untethered jailbreak along with it.
Prveviously done. YES, I KNOW I can update to 4.3.5 but then I would lose my unlimited plan which is very important that I keep. I have said I choose option #2 so in effect updating to 4.2 or 4.3 is not an option since I didn't save the friggin (is that word allowed?) SHS's.
 

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Dazzle, you're still putting your reply within the other person's quote. I fixed it for you again. Be sure to type your reply after the quote tags.

Why would updating the firmware cause you to lose unlimited data? The only disadvantages to updating to 4.3.5 is that there is only a tethered jailbreak available and you will update your baseband and lose the ability to unlock with ultrasn0w.
 

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I do want to jailbreak. The only other option I just thought of is to not jailbreak now but do it after the 5.0 jailbreak is available. That way I could update to 4.3.5 and not lose my unlimited plan. Or do I still need to
stop at 4.3.3? I don't mind waiting to JB fo a couple months. Not too much, anyway, lol. Sorry I lost it before. <Very loud scream>
 

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It's fine. I'm just not following you here. Please explain why you think updating would cause you to lose unlimited data.

4.3.3 is out of the question. The only options are to stay on 4.0.2 or update to 4.3.5 or the 5.0 beta. You can just jailbreak 4.0.2 right now...
 

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It's fine. I'm just not following you here. Please explain why you think updating would cause you to lose unlimited data.

4.3.3 is out of the question. The only options are to stay on 4.0.2 or update to 4.3.5 or the 5.0 beta. You can just jailbreak 4.0.2 right now...
It's not the updating that would cause it, I realize that, it would be jailbreaking afterwards because then AT&T would discover I was tethering my computer to my iPhone. But I could wait to do the JB till we are all on 5.0 and a safe JB is available. Does that make sense? I'll just have to use hotspots to use my computer for a while. Anything requiring the Internet that is.

If I don't JB now I can download to 4.3.5 and JB with everyone after 5.0 comes out. Had I saved all the SHH's I could have done the JB now and updated
To 4.3.3. I think I get it now. Just have to wait to JB. Not the end of the world.
 

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I haven't heard of a single person who actually lost unlimited data and got thrown into a capped data plan because they used unoffical tethering. There were some people who got texts asking them to add official plans, but that's as far as it went, as far as I know. The people who got the texts had used large amounts of data tethering. If you don't foresee using more than 2 GB per month, it shouldn't be a problem. If it is a problem and you get the text, you can just stop doing it. It will be the same situation on 5.0. We'll still have to watch how much we tether.

The only difference with 4.3.5 is that the jailbreak is tethered. Tethered jailbreaks and data tethering are two completely different things. I think you may be confusing the two terms and thinking they are related. I explained how a tethered jailbreak has nothing to do with data tethering in your MBP thread. A tethered jailbreak just means that the phone won't reboot normally. Data tethering is using your phone's internet connection on your laptop. Unofficial data tethering on 4.3.5 is no more risky than it is on 4.0.2.

That being said, I do not recommend using unofficial tethering as your primary source of internet.

Do you only need tethering for a short amount of time then? Did you cancel or lose your internet?
 

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I haven't heard of a single person who actually lost unlimited data and got thrown into a capped data plan because they used unoffical tethering. There were some people who got texts asking them to add official plans, but that's as far as it went, as far as I know. The people who got the texts had used large amounts of data tethering. If you don't foresee using more than 2 GB per month, it shouldn't be a problem. If it is a problem and you get the text, you can just stop doing it. It will be the same situation on 5.0. We'll still have to watch how much we tether.

The only difference with 4.3.5 is that the jailbreak is tethered. Tethered jailbreaks and data tethering are two completely different things. I think you may be confusing the two terms and thinking they are related. I
explained how a tethered jailbreak has nothing to do with data tethering in your MBP thread. A tethered jailbreak just means that the phone won't
reboot normally. Data tethering is using your phone's internet connection on
your laptop. Unofficial data tethering on 4.3.5 is no more risky than it is
on 4.0.2.


That being said, I do not recommend using unofficial tethering as your primary source of internet.

Do you only need tethering for a short amount of time then? Did you cancel or lose your internet?
Not sure exactly how long, but tethering definitely won't be my primary source for the Internet

I'm going to have to read up and learn all the terminolgy. So, for right now I'll update to 3.4.5 and later JB.
 

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I'm submitting this separately as it is really hard to respond to a long quote on an iPhone and get it in the right place. At least it is for me. I'm not going to do any tethering until I've jailbroken (jailbreaked?).
 

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I'm submitting this separately as it is really hard to respond to a long quote on an iPhone and get it in the right place. At least it is for me. I'm not going to do any tethering until I've jailbroken (jailbreaked?).
I think I'll have an easier time in this forum as well as everywhere else on the net using a computer with a 13" screen rather than the iPhone's 3.5" screen.
 

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I agree with that. It's easier to type and navigate with a keyboard and mouse/trackpad than it is on the phone.
 

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I agree with that. It's easier to type and navigate with a keyboard and mouse/trackpad than it is on the phone.
For me it's the size of the screen that makes all the difference. I do have a keyboard I can use with the phone which is good for a lot of typing but you still have to touch the screen and be careful to not accidentally brush a finger against something else and watch what you just typed disappear or to me even worse with this new software have some error message pop up or accidentally press search and have a search menu in front of you and having to figure out how to get rid of it as there's no little "x" in the top right-hand corner.

Getting back to tethering I couldn't do it even if I wanted to without JBing. What I really wish is that I could get wifi outside my house or a hotspot. It's so much better than 3G and you don't have to tether or watch how much you use. I thought MyWi would make it possible but just found out it will only give you 3G.