November release of next generation iPhone?

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wagwag22

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As a lurker - this is my first post - but about to become an iPhone buyer - I had a question re this piece in today's paper :

"" CIBC World Markets said it expected Apple & AT & T to boost their marketing push for the iPhone, and they could introduce a new model in November - that operates on a faster network ""

Anyone any thoughts on the veracity / likelihood of this November introduction. ?


Should I wait to purchase - or will any November update enable one to upgrade today's iPhone ?
:sick:
 

chris

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This is nothing but speculation. I would personally be VERY surprised if Apple released a 3G iPhone. I think it's more likely that will see a nano inspired iPhone with less features or an upgrade to 3G with the existing iPhone. Documents filed with the FCC don't support this, but I have an odd feeling after seeing some rumblings around these forums.

Would I hold off on a purchase? No. Get it. Enjoy it and don't worry about the next generation.
 

Sleeper

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Tricky question. I think Apple would piss off a lot of people if they were to release a substantially upgraded unit before year end and I honestly don't think they would do that to their loyal customers.

What they might do is make market based adjustments to the iPhone - for example, include 3G for Europe where it's a much bigger factor than the US.
 

Zman-iPhone

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but then you have to look at how long it took them to make the second generation ipod after the first generation. 2 years. EVERYONE: don't worry about this problem, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. plan for early 2009 for a second generation.
 

garymooks

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but then you have to look at how long it took them to make the second generation ipod after the first generation. 2 years. EVERYONE: don't worry about this problem, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. plan for early 2009 for a second generation.
I think the ipod strategy does not apply to iPhone..Why?
1.The cellphone market is very competitive..there will be a flood of iphone-clones(if not already..http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/meizu-m8-minione-closer-to-production-litigation/ )
if Apple waits for 2 years.
2.All these iphone-clones will be lower priced than iPhone itself,with MORE features..so Apple has to capitalise on the iPhone popularity NOW!
3.Ipods are more popular here in US and Europe..not so in asia..due to broadband availability,more use of tapes(casettes) and CD's.But that is not the case with cellphones..Asia has better cellphones than USA..So Apple will lose out if they don't get there fast..and CHEAPer!

JM2C
Gary:)
 
Aug 2, 2007
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A Business Model

I tried to use my corporate discount and was told that it did not apply to this model.

I ask the salesman which model it did apply to and he said that Apple will soon release a iPhone marketed to businesss people.

He did not have any further info on features or a date, only that if a corporate customer request to use their discount to tell them not on the current model but on the new businesss iPhone.

I would of purchased the current iPhone anyway but he also informed me that my corporate discount did not apply toward the service either.

Sucks but I told I guess I would wait for the new model. The salesman told me he understood and I was one of many people that
balked at the loss of there discount by upgrading to the iPhone.

Apple is killing their sales and the stock doing this.
 
Aug 16, 2007
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Wait

I don't pretend to be able to read Steve Jobs' mind. However, I bought the iPhone on June 29 and returned it on July 3, because it lacked many of the features that are considered among the most basic features of any phone, especially smartphones.

I was appalled that it has no copy/paste utility. It doesn't yet support A2DP Bluetooth stereo. Both of those are probably just software updates, but they are major problems. I use copy and paste all the time and have not used a wired headset for over two years, except for listening on airplanes. In that case, my expensive active noise canceling headphones wouldn't fit in the iPhone jack. I was also shocked that it does not yet support voice dialing. It doesn't support Java, Flash or downloadable ringtones. The camera is of such a low resolution that my 3-year old basic cell phone will take better photos.

There are just way too many missing BASIC features, to waste your money on it now. Whether it's two months, 6 months or 10 months, it will be worth the wait for a version that will include those very basic features that are now common in most other smartphones.

As for the release date of version two, the only thing of which I am aware that might shed any light on that is that the iPhone is due for release in London, late this year. After all the bad press that the iPhone has received in England, for missing features, I would not be surprised if Apple doesn't release an improved version in Europe, even if that means delaying the release. I'm sure that they don't want a repeat of June 29, where an unusually large percentage of the iPhones sold, were never activated or were returned after activation, as was mine.
 

Soy Pop

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Should I wait to purchase - or will any November update enable one to upgrade today's iPhone ?
:sick:

It's the Prada...which has already had 2 upgrades by it's release in Jan 07. It doesn't have near 1/2 the memory of the iPhone. Verizon has talks of releasing the 2nd to newest version (the difference is a 5 meg camera)...

Plus of the Prada is it's going to have a activation discount on new lines... so yay...but it's still no iPhone. It does video though...but so does over half the cellphone market.

You buy the iPhone for music capacity. I want more memory that 8gb...so I'll pass on all 3 phones until there's a newer iPhone with lets say....16gb..(IT SHOULD COME OUT NEXT YEAR! *by my dreams*)
 

entong

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It's the Prada...which has already had 2 upgrades by it's release in Jan 07. It doesn't have near 1/2 the memory of the iPhone. Verizon has talks of releasing the 2nd to newest version (the difference is a 5 meg camera)...

Plus of the Prada is it's going to have a activation discount on new lines... so yay...but it's still no iPhone. It does video though...but so does over half the cellphone market.

You buy the iPhone for music capacity. I want more memory that 8gb...so I'll pass on all 3 phones until there's a newer iPhone with lets say....16gb..(IT SHOULD COME OUT NEXT YEAR! *by my dreams*)
16gb of memory would be nice ;) and the most important thing on iPhone is cut n paste, 3g feature on it hehehe ;)
 
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Even Ringtone Download Utility is Insufficient

Steve Jobs announced that the iPhone will now have downloadable ringtones. yes! But, you can only download ringtones generated in iTunes and only from music purchased from iTunes and even then, only from certain allowed songs. Booo!

But, it gets even worse. Not only do you have to pay $0.99 for the song from which you want to make the ringtone, but you have to pay an additional $0.99 for an up to 20 second clip of that song which becomes the ringtone. So, in essense, you have to pay $1.98 for a ringtone that with any other phone, you can download over the air for free (OK, so you have to pay for the airtime for the download) from PhoneZoo.com.

[FYI, using PhoneZoo, you upload any audio file that you have on your Mac or PC, use their interactive website to select the portion that you want to use as a ringtone, enter your phone brand, model number and phone number and click "Download." A few seconds later, your phone announces a message. It's your ringtone. It's that simple and (attention Steve Jobs) it's FREE!

Interestingly, when Jobs announced the iPhone ringtone feature, he tried to suggest that ringtones typically cost $2.50. I don't know what rock he has been living under. But, only the very gullible would be convinced to actually pay for a ringtone, in this day and age. As far as I'm concerned, the iPhone still doesn't have a reasonable ringtone download facility.

I'm still waiting for a version 2 that will address this and other serious problems mentioned above. But, I won't wait forever.
 

DocHolliday

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Man would I have a good laugh if within this year Apple released another iPhone with all or most of the features that everyone is complaining about not happening. That would be absolutely hysterical. People would be PISSED! Steven Jobs head would be called for.

Then of course I would buy the updated model since I've been holding off buying the iPhone until I see if there are improvements.
 
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Man would I have a good laugh if within this year Apple released another iPhone with all or most of the features that everyone is complaining about not happening. That would be absolutely hysterical. People would be PISSED!
Yeah. But if so, they really should be pissed at themselves, for keeping it after they realized how many basic features it is missing. As an long-time Apple user (going all the way back to the IIe) I went with my faith in Apple to produce at least a "usable" product on the first try and bought an iPhone on June 29. But, unlike all those people who will be pissed if Apple soon fixes all of most of those missing or broken features, I took mine back on July 3.

As a result, I won't be upset in the least. I'll just buy the corrected version and accept that the first version was one of Apple's very few real mistakes. Of course, those people who kept their iPhones, after they realized that it was missing many very basic features, have reason to be pissed - at themselves, for keeping the flawed version.

BTW, if Apple doesn't release a fixed version of the iPhone in a reasonable time, I am looking at the Blackberry 8820 and the Nokia N95. Neither have all the bells and whistles of the iPhone. But, they have cut & paste, A2DP Bluetooth stereo, a headphone jack that fits my $300 active noise canceling headphones and a host of other missing iPhone features, plus they support GPS. If I have to, I'll give up some of the glitz, for basic functionality.
 

DocHolliday

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Yeah. But if so, they really should be pissed at themselves, for keeping it after they realized how many basic features it is missing. As an long-time Apple user (going all the way back to the IIe) I went with my faith in Apple to produce at least a "usable" product on the first try and bought an iPhone on June 29. But, unlike all those people who will be pissed if Apple soon fixes all of most of those missing or broken features, I took mine back on July 3.

As a result, I won't be upset in the least. I'll just buy the corrected version and accept that the first version was one of Apple's very few real mistakes. Of course, those people who kept their iPhones, after they realized that it was missing many very basic features, have reason to be pissed - at themselves, for keeping the flawed version.

BTW, if Apple doesn't release a fixed version of the iPhone in a reasonable time, I am looking at the Blackberry 8820 and the Nokia N95. Neither have all the bells and whistles of the iPhone. But, they have cut & paste, A2DP Bluetooth stereo, a headphone jack that fits my $300 active noise canceling headphones and a host of other missing iPhone features, plus they support GPS. If I have to, I'll give up some of the glitz, for basic functionality.
Amen. I bought one about 3 weeks ago on a whim, and did not open the box, did a bit more research on sites such as this one and decided to take it back for the full refund. I'm glad I did. I think I would have thrown it across the room by now. I am looking at the N95 as well.
 

elevatus

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I take a hybrid approach on this. If you are a person who "has to have the latest", then wait. If you are a person who can spend money on technology, work around any bugs, and be happy without the feeling of "needing to upgrade" then I'd get one.

I personally am waiting for version 1B or something so they can work out some of the bugs but it will still probably look the same. I doubt I will wait for version "2" because that will more than likely be smaller etc and not come out for years.
 
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i wouldn't wait
but if november comes and your stuck in the same boat as the rest of us, pissed that a new one came out, thats just one more guy to help us tear down Apple ;)
 

Pharaoh

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i wouldn't wait
but if november comes and your stuck in the same boat as the rest of us, pissed that a new one came out, thats just one more guy to help us tear down Apple ;)
well im hoping an updated one DOES NOT come out, if one does, i plan on selling my iPhone and getting the upgraded new one. My iPhone is in PERFECT shape, the screen literally hasn't ever even been touched ONCE without protection on it, so selling it wont be a problem. The 3G and a higher capacity would be a great upgrade, but how much would it cost us? 200 more?
 

finejoy

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It's only a phone

I don't pretend to be able to read Steve Jobs' mind. However, I bought the iPhone on June 29 and returned it on July 3, because it lacked many of the features that are considered among the most basic features of any phone, especially smartphones.

I was appalled that it has no copy/paste utility. It doesn't yet support A2DP Bluetooth stereo. Both of those are probably just software updates, but they are major problems. I use copy and paste all the time and have not used a wired headset for over two years, except for listening on airplanes. In that case, my expensive active noise canceling headphones wouldn't fit in the iPhone jack. I was also shocked that it does not yet support voice dialing. It doesn't support Java, Flash or downloadable ringtones. The camera is of such a low resolution that my 3-year old basic cell phone will take better photos.

There are just way too many missing BASIC features, to waste your money on it now. Whether it's two months, 6 months or 10 months, it will be worth the wait for a version that will include those very basic features that are now common in most other smartphones.

As for the release date of version two, the only thing of which I am aware that might shed any light on that is that the iPhone is due for release in London, late this year. After all the bad press that the iPhone has received in England, for missing features, I would not be surprised if Apple doesn't release an improved version in Europe, even if that means delaying the release. I'm sure that they don't want a repeat of June 29, where an unusually large percentage of the iPhones sold, were never activated or were returned after activation, as was mine.
This is a cell phone, not a laptop, and not a digital camera. All cell phone digital cameras offer is digital zoom and digital zoom mean zilch. It's Optical zoom that counts. It doesn't matter how many megapixels a cell phone digital camera has, it is still no substitute for a digital camera. My digital camera is 7.1 megapixels and has 10x optical zoom is so small it slips into my pocket. I love my iPhone. If I needed to do work I would need at least a 12" screen to do it on. I can see that a PDA phone could come in handy for last minute changes to a document, but wouldn't a laptop be better. Laptops have gotten so light. My Macbook Pro is so light and portable. Phones should be used for what they are meant for calls, anything else is cool extras.
 
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This is a cell phone, not a laptop, and not a digital camera. All cell phone digital cameras offer is digital zoom and digital zoom mean zilch. It's Optical zoom that counts. It doesn't matter how many megapixels a cell phone digital camera has, it is still no substitute for a digital camera. My digital camera is 7.1 megapixels and has 10x optical zoom is so small it slips into my pocket. I love my iPhone. If I needed to do work I would need at least a 12" screen to do it on. I can see that a PDA phone could come in handy for last minute changes to a document, but wouldn't a laptop be better. Laptops have gotten so light. My Macbook Pro is so light and portable. Phones should be used for what they are meant for calls, anything else is cool extras.
As for the camera, I have only used the camera on my phone twice in the three+ years, since I got my first camera phone. In fact, it irritates me that with most phones, I have to pay for a camera that I won't use. If Apple was going to include a camera (and charge us for it), I would have expected them to have included one that was at least as good as other high-end phones (ex. the Nokia n95 has a 5mpx camera, with a flash). I would much rather that Apple left off the camera, than make us pay for obsolete technology.

Off the subject, but I just have to say it. WOW! I just used the new Safari handle in the lower right hand corner of the field in which I am typing this, to enlarge this field, so I can see all of what I am typing, at once. NEAT. Leopard roars!

Back to using the iPhone for work. The last I heard, the number of Blackberry users is in the tens of millions, worldwide. Many companies have adopted it as a company standard, because they have found that their employees will use it to answer emails and chat with co-workers, while on the train or bus or even while waiting for the waiter to bring their lunch.

I have a 17" Macbook Pro that goes almost everywhere with me. I don't leave the house without first, checking my email. Even so, I don't know anyone who would pull out even the small Macbook, on the London Tube, to start answering those emails. Yet, every time I ride the Tube, I see someone on the platform or on the train, typing on a Blackberry, Treo, etc. If the iPhone had the features that we have come to expect (and rely on) in a cellphone, I would certainly use it regularly, to read and answer emails, while in the taxi, while waiting for my wife to do some shopping or as I said, while waiting for the waiter to bring my lunch. I would not pull out my laptop in any of those cases.

Also, one of the things that I often end up doing is copying a small piece of an email and pasting it into a text message to a colleague, who doesn't have email on his cellphone. I may copy a block of text from the web and paste it into an email. Try to do that on an iPhone. Copy & paste don't exist on the iPhone.

As for using the iPhone as just a very expensive cellphone (that makes people look at you), even that has several serious problems. Where's the voice dialing? I use voice dialing at least 20 times, for every time that I actually take my phone out and dial a number. Then, what about A2DP Bluetooth support? My Bluetooth headset works both with my existing cellphone, in mono and my iPod (w/Bluetooth adaptor), in stereo. But, it doesn't even work in mono, with the iPhone. So, if I switch to iPhone, that's another $140 down the drain.

Also, besides being just a cellphone, the iPhone is a great music player - or so it is advertised. Yet, when I get on a plane between the UK and the USA, I expect to plug my Sennheiser PXC 450 noise reduction headphones ($400+) into my iPod, to block out the noise. I can't do that with the iPhone. To use my headphones that, by the way, have a "standard" plug, I have to buy an adaptor that sticks up almost 2 inches and is an accident just waiting to happen.

Once again, Apple did what Apple does. They created an innovative device, with tons of potential and marketed it as a toy. I know quite a few businesssmen and at least one company, who would switch to the iPhone, if all of those innovative features had been built on top of the functionality of an ordinary cellphone. Instead, we got a luxury train with lots of bells and whistles, a great dining car, but no locomotive. Fortunately, in recent years, Apple has begun to learn how to recognize their marketing errors and has become rather quick to rectify them. That's why I'm waiting for iPhone2. But, I can't wait too long.

For the record, I am normally an Apple evangelist and early adopter. Apple usually makes great products that I am willing to buy on the first day. In fact, I am writing this on a Mac, with Leopard installed, less than one full day after Leopard's release. But, I'm really afraid that if Apple doesn't make some serious changes in the iPhone, it will end up being a flash in the pan. Once the early adopter's rush is over, I doubt that most businesss (where the money is) and serious businesss people, will be even the least bit interested, until basic cellphone functionality is included. And, while Apple is fixing all the iPhone problems, do you think that Motorola, Nokia, PalmOne, Blackberry and others aren't working on competing products? If just one of them gets a truly functional competing product to market, before Apple gets the iPhone fixed, then the iPhone will fade into obscurity, just like another very innovative product - the Edsel.