Why you Should love French !

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We're not exactly up on our French, let alone our French telecommunications law, but we're hearing that Apple's supposed launch of the iPhone in that country is being held up by two different regulations that prevent the iPhone from being the locked-down revenue-generating machine Apple wants it to be. The first, a law passed in 1998, requires that carriers unlock any phone upon customer request -- for a fee during the first six months of a contract and for free after that. Notably, all three major French carriers -- including Orange, which was supposed to get the iPhone -- have lost lawsuits challenging this law. The second, which we're slightly less clear on, apparently requires carriers to sell both locked and unlocked phones. Tensions over the regulations have apparently strained the relationship between the companies to the point where Orange spokespeople are saying things like "the risk we're evaluating this week is that Apple crosses France off," but really, who expected Apples and Oranges to mix without someone getting a little bruised?
 

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We're not exactly up on our French, let alone our French telecommunications law, but we're hearing that Apple's supposed launch of the iPhone in that country is being held up by two different regulations that prevent the iPhone from being the locked-down revenue-generating machine Apple wants it to be. The first, a law passed in 1998, requires that carriers unlock any phone upon customer request -- for a fee during the first six months of a contract and for free after that. Notably, all three major French carriers -- including Orange, which was supposed to get the iPhone -- have lost lawsuits challenging this law. The second, which we're slightly less clear on, apparently requires carriers to sell both locked and unlocked phones. Tensions over the regulations have apparently strained the relationship between the companies to the point where Orange spokespeople are saying things like "the risk we're evaluating this week is that Apple crosses France off," but really, who expected Apples and Oranges to mix without someone getting a little bruised?
Those zany french! I speak french and I have spent about 3 months of my life living in France and this doesn't shock me at all.

On the one hand they are sticking it to Apple and on the other hand they may lose one of the coolest techno-toys to date!

I do have to say though, the French are all about flexing their power when they can. I think it's really good of them to do, finally Apple will lose some money for being money-grubbing putains!
 

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I do have to say though, the French are all about flexing their power when they can. I think it's really good of them to do, finally Apple will lose some money for being money-grubbing putains!
Haha I couldn't help but laugh at "French Power" but seriously, it doesn't surprise me that anyone would try and do this but then again who are they really hurting?
 

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I do have to say though, the French are all about flexing their power when they can. I think it's really good of them to do, finally Apple will lose some money for being money-grubbing putains!
Yes, their tears nearly stopped a certain tyrant from marching down Champs-Elysees, lols.

But that's besides the point, I'm glad someone is standing up to the machine and it comes as no surprise its from France.

Je parle un peu de francais, mais je preferais japonaise.
 

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What about here in U.S. ?
We just swallow the bill
 

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There's obviously more to it than we know about. It's highly unlikely that both Apple and their French telecomm partner didn't know about these laws or previous case law related to them.
 

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There's obviously more to it than we know about. It's highly unlikely that both Apple and their French telecomm partner didn't know about these laws or previous case law related to them.
From a broader perspective, it'll be interesting to see how the EU laws come into play on this issue. Remember the fines imposed on Microsoft WRT the MS Media Player?

There's too much money for Apple to give up on France. What exactly the company will do is unclear, but they'll be in France even if they have to allow unlocked phones.
 

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We're not exactly up on our French, let alone our French telecommunications law, but we're hearing that Apple's supposed launch of the iPhone in that country is being held up by two different regulations that prevent the iPhone from being the locked-down revenue-generating machine Apple wants it to be. The first, a law passed in 1998, requires that carriers unlock any phone upon customer request -- for a fee during the first six months of a contract and for free after that. Notably, all three major French carriers -- including Orange, which was supposed to get the iPhone -- have lost lawsuits challenging this law. The second, which we're slightly less clear on, apparently requires carriers to sell both locked and unlocked phones. Tensions over the regulations have apparently strained the relationship between the companies to the point where Orange spokespeople are saying things like "the risk we're evaluating this week is that Apple crosses France off," but really, who expected Apples and Oranges to mix without someone getting a little bruised?
I am so happy to see that some countries do not bow down to big businesss and special interests groups. I wish the United States government had the ba**s to do so, this would be a much better place to live then. I think I'll have a glass of French wine, in celebration...M
 

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Don't get angry with France because they stand up for, what they believe in. We Americans, need to do the same thing to turn around what is taking place in this country right now...M
its funny that the French are prepared to "stand up" when it comes to an iPhone. But about terror or hygene, they are notoriously on the fence. Hell if wasn't for us they'd be doing the goose step right now.
 

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its funny that the French are prepared to "stand up" when it comes to an iPhone. But about terror or hygene, they are notoriously on the fence. Hell if wasn't for us they'd be doing the goose step right now.
You aren't even going to get me started on the, We Are in Iraq Based on a Lie! I would have to go on and on and probably get banned. France didn't join in the foolishness, because they knew that Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with 911. As a matter of fact, if you kept up with your current events. You would know The U.S. lead invasion of Iraq was/is a lie, the rest of the world knows it! Oh my bad, that isn't the story FOX News reports. Furthermore, why are you sitting here in an iPhone forum? Your belief in the war, should compel you to do something about it, more than talk. Hop on the next thing smokin' to Iraq, they need help. Relieve a soldier that has already done 3 tours of duty. It is very easy to agree with something, when it is not your blood, that is being spilled.

BTW: What kind of world do we live in anyway? Old men (cowards) send young men to die, Hmmm.

Chris: Sorry for the off topic remarks. I just had to speak my piece. I did include the word iPhone, though...M
 

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Yes, their tears nearly stopped a certain tyrant from marching down Champs-Elysees, lols.

But that's besides the point, I'm glad someone is standing up to the machine and it comes as no surprise its from France.

Je parle un peu de francais, mais je preferais japonaise.
Je parle français aussi bien mais je préfère l'espagnol.

:p
 

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Don't get angry with France because they stand up for, what they believe in. We Americans, need to do the same thing to turn around what is taking place in this country right now...M
Standing up for your rights is one thing, but giving the government even more power over you or your businesss isn't the American way - it's the socialist / communist way. We have what's called a "free market society"... a really spiffy one where capitalism rules. I am quite content being a capitalist and if Apple doesn't straighten up and fly right, someone else will offer a competing product. That's the beauty of a free market capitalist society, there's always competition and the competition forces companies and people to be dynamic and fast moving.

If it weren't for our capitalist society the world wouldn't have many of the amazing technologies it has. We pioneer great technologies then share them with the world... and this also works out well because we give new life to places like Japan, China, Taiwan, etc.

In other words, don't fix it if it isn't broke. France can pass such draconian laws... but then how many things does France produce that the rest of the world wants? Cars? No. Consumer electronics? No. Are countries racing to France to set up factories? No.

I may not like Apple's stance on the iPhone but I know the solution isn't more government regulation. Power to the people! :)

Edit: I would also like to add that the French are such free thinkers that their government mandates broadcast television must be mostly French. They hate the English speaking world so much that they passed a law stating the use of the word "email" is no longer to be used and they came up with a French word "[SIZE=-1]courriel" to replace it.

Don't the French have better things to do than to dictate what people may watch on television or what word they use for email? Do you really want our government to have that much control over our lives?
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Standing up for your rights is one thing, but giving the government even more power over you or your businesss isn't the American way - it's the socialist / communist way. We have what's called a "free market society"... a really spiffy one where capitalism rules. I am quite content being a capitalist and if Apple doesn't straighten up and fly right, someone else will offer a competing product. That's the beauty of a free market capitalist society, there's always competition and the competition forces companies and people to be dynamic and fast moving.

If it weren't for our capitalist society the world wouldn't have many of the amazing technologies it has. We pioneer great technologies then share them with the world... and this also works out well because we give new life to places like Japan, China, Taiwan, etc.

In other words, don't fix it if it isn't broke. France can pass such draconian laws... but then how many things does France produce that the rest of the world wants? Cars? No. Consumer electronics? No. Are countries racing to France to set up factories? No.

I may not like Apple's stance on the iPhone but I know the solution isn't more government regulation. Power to the people! :)

Edit: I would also like to add that the French are such free thinkers that their government mandates broadcast television must be mostly French. They hate the English speaking world so much that they passed a law stating the use of the word "email" is no longer to be used and they came up with a French word "[SIZE=-1]courriel" to replace it.

Don't the French have better things to do than to dictate what people may watch on television or what word they use for email? Do you really want our government to have that much control over our lives?
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I see what you are saying, but it's almost becoming, pick your poison. You have a choice of the Government running your life, or Corporations running your life and thinking for you. Both choices are equally BAD...M
 

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Fist let me start by saying F the French. Now thats out of the way guess what Apple is in bussness to make money. Wow I hope that is not catching you in a blind spot. If you don't like how they do things then go buy another phone. I am sick of the crying!
 

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Fist let me start by saying F the French. Now thats out of the way guess what Apple is in bussness to make money. Wow I hope that is not catching you in a blind spot. If you don't like how they do things then go buy another phone. I am sick of the crying!
I really feel sorry for people that cannot join an intelligent discussion, with anything other than, People are crying. Just as you mentioned about the phone, if you don't like the topic, find another one. Try reading comprehension, it works! M
 

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I see what you are saying, but it's almost becoming, pick your poison. You have a choice of the Government running your life, or Corporations running your life and thinking for you. Both choices are equally BAD...M
I've never understood where this innate fear or dislike of corporations comes from. My life is in no way controlled or even disrupted by the existence of major corporations. Again, as with all things in a free market, if you don't like the product or service they offer find another company to do businesss with. If you don't want to work for a major corporation then work for a small mom and pop shop or start your own businesss.

There is no corporation that tells me what to do daily, what to eat, what to buy, how to think.

If I don't like Microsoft I can buy Apple. If I don't like MS and Apple, I can build my own PC from parts and run Linux.

On the other hand, only a major successful corporation can give us things like Windows, high end and always evolving computer chips, passenger airplanes, gasoline at every gas station, phone service, etc. Why? Because it takes millions, if not billions of dollars to provide these products and services and that means a corporation is involved. Without corporations we would be in the stone age of technology and even health care right now.

It seems people always like to hate the successful guy. People hate Microsoft for no other reason than they're successful. People hate Steve Jobs because he's successful. People hate the rich guy down the street in the million dollar home because he is successful. I don't think that way.