Exactly.
So, the best idea would be for people to stop complaining about their 4-week old phone not having some magical update, and stop being so generally demanding.
Is anyone starting to hate their iPhone?
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So, the best idea would be for people to stop complaining about their 4-week old phone not having some magical update, and stop being so generally demanding.
I haven't seen anything official but they will at least provide security updates if for nothing but legal reasons. Also one of the main selling points about the design of the phone was it's not tied into a specific hardware configuration and things can be changed via software if they need to.
I did say in my last post I was "speculating" but I am speculating based on the industry, other things Apple has said, and what they are doing elsewhere. Give them a little time. Historically Apple seems to be quite for a good bit and them throw zingers out that surpass the competition.
I did say in my last post I was "speculating" but I am speculating based on the industry, other things Apple has said, and what they are doing elsewhere. Give them a little time. Historically Apple seems to be quite for a good bit and them throw zingers out that surpass the competition.
This is moving down the Troll's issue list nicely
Suggest some comments on the battery, and the need to return to Apple, next.
Then maybe circle back to iMoaning about AT&T and EDGE
And finish off with it not allowing you to edit MS docs, or capture moving video.
Job done!
Yeh, but you're such a 'glass half empty' kind of guy crane98.
The rest of us don't suffer with such a negative affliction.
Go on, post some helpful hints and tips in other iPhone forums to help out your fellow forum members - just a few - show them how your iPhone knowledge can help them use their new phones...
Do you own an iPhone and if so, why? If you don't believe there are going to be updates (which you'd have to be a fool to believe) and you feel the device is inadequate for your needs, why would you even keep it?
You are like an Atheist sitting in church telling everyone theres no God. You may be right, but why waste time sitting in church if you don't believe. Go home and watch football.
I'm so glad someone else notices Crane98's string of non-stop negativity towards the device. It's pointless for him to own the phone, or be a member of this forum. It's bad enough he doesn't provide any help to anyone, but all he does is down the product. I loved the part about leaving church and watching football. Especially coupled with your avatar. LOL
Now you are reaching, dude.
- The keypad when manually dialing is perfectly logical. It contains the digits to dial a number, including the special character for certain cellphone numbers, a backspace key, and a key to add the entered number to a new contact or an existing contact. Well thought out, really.
- The keypad when entering a contact is of course different since right on the keypad you can specify which phone number you are entering (mobile, work, etc.). There is no point for the add to new/existing contact button since you are already in a contact. But the +*# button can be used to enter those symbols, as well as pauses for auto-entering PIN tones, etc. There is no point for a pause on the manual dial keypad as you are the one dialing. This too seems well thought out.
- The keypad that can be displayed during a call has the bare minimum number of keys since it is only for entering touch tones.
...that make me appreciate the flexibility of on-screen keypads more and more.
Again, if you had to mention this, which I see as a plus, not a minus, you are really reaching. Stick to real issues, don't try to invent them.
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I just don't see the point of hanging around a forum raggin' on something that they obviously hate. What's the point? I've had a love/hate releationship with most of the smartphones that I've owned but without having at least the "love" part in there, I would just dump the device and move on. I wouldn't sit in a forum all day and bore everyone with the same grips that have been continually brought up.
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C'mon now, in April Apple said in their Q2 financial call that:
Transcript:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/25/apple-financial-results-q2-2007/
The actual recording of the call was on Apple's Website, but the link doesn't seem to work at the moment:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq207/
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You did read my post where I specifically mentioned that 3G is geared towards population centres, didn't you?
So who are they going to phone in that other land area? Sheep? There's no point having fast coverage where it's not going to be used - GSM is the fallback for that.
Well obviously you didn't but hey ho...
Here's a little exercise for you:
Plot the major population centres of the UK against this map.
Done that? Good. Here's a ladder to help you off that high horse you seem to have inadverdently climbed upon.
Right because I, like 80% or more of the population, spend the majority of our time in unpopulated rural areas or off arterial routes. Oh wait, we don't. The fact that 3G is unavailable in Wester Auchtermuchtershire is irrelevant given that only three sheep and a pigeon named Bob live there. And he's emigrating.
For me it is. Given the European analysts comments I'm not alone here.
You don't get out much, do you?
Oh I see. An 18 month pilot scheme covering Norwhich - a minor UK city - is evidence that free wi-fi is commonplace in Europe? Now that really does merit a LOL.
Incidentally, good job on quote mining an article from August 2006. It's nice to have up to date information, isn't it? Like this for example:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39288023,00.htm
You'll note that Norwhich remains the only free municipal wi-fi zone in the UK - although Manchester will launch one against BT's pay for use scheme - and that the 'free' wi-fi touted here is actually dependent on spam to operate. Of course, you can block this but it'll cost you £3 an hour to do so.
Free wi-fi is gradually rolling out in the UK and Europe however it is in no way a realistic proposition for continuous connection yet. Please do your research first before making assumptions.
In fact, here's a crane to help you down as it appears to be a really, really high horse that you're on.
Which is handy if I'm on the bus, in the car or on the train. Incidentally, most of the access points you mention - with the exception of Starbucks and a few others - actually charge you for usage.
Quite aside from the fact that most areas don't or have very few free wi-fi zones, are you suggesting we should all crowd round the local bookshop to get a wi-fi signal when we could access 3G pretty much where we like in our population zones? That is, the pub, the zoo, on foot, the bus...
You get the idea.
I'm not using it as an excuse to bury the iPhone, I'm saying that - from my point of view at least - the lack of this (and if I'm being honest a few other features - I mean no video camera? What the hell?) make the unit unattractive in its current state. Why would I pay out £600 for something that doesn't do half the things my current unit does?
Style isn't enough here, I want more. There is no shame in that.
I'd suggest that you don't buy the iPhone - you've clearly made up your mind already - and appear to be out to trash the product.
And, you misunderstanding about how to use wi-fi with the iPhone in the US is hilarious.
We don't have huge areas of free wi-fi over here - it's no different than the UK - you use wi-fi if you happen to be in a free wi-fi area, like a coffee shop or bookshop.
The rest of the time you're on EDGE - or wi-fi at home or work for example.
As for 3G and population centers - that's bleepin' obvious from the map!
What I'm saying is - people who use the iPhones don't all stay in population centers all the time - some of them travel - some of them live in towns and villages without any 3G - they have no choice - 3G will not be available to them.
Or do you sign a contract with 02 that states you must live in a major UK population center?
Yes, that's obviously it. It's not because I love some things the iPhone does and am totally frustrated at some of the things that it doesn't and would really like Mr Jobs and friends to take any customer (and potential customer feedback) on board so thay can put together a kick ass product that will piss all over anything else.
Take off the Apple coloured glasses. Seriously.
And your misunderstanding that I actually care about the US market is astounding. I'm talking Europe here. That's the continent across the Atlantic in case you missed it.
Great... and...?
Whilst we're mostly on 3G or wi-fi if at home or work. So you're on a slower network most of the time then? Isn't that, you know, the point I've been trying to get across to you?
Thanks for finally admitting it though.
A fact I managed to make without the need for patronisation and graphics. Not my fault you didn't pick that up.
I'm going to bet you most of the people who are interested in the iPhone in the UK actually do live in urban areas that are covered by 3G. Hell, given Voda's 90% coverage it's a certainty, isn't it? As for travel, again look at the map then superimpose the arterial travel routes on it. Go on.
As repeatedly mentioned, since 3G networks have at least 75% to 80% coverage - and rising - then I don't have to, do I?Or do you sign a contract with 02 that states you must live in a major UK population center?
Here's the deal: You don't know enough about the European cellphone market, its major carriers, their trade agreements, the extent of the GSM, 3G, HSDPA or wi-fi networks in the UK or the demands of a public who are used to being able to get good speeds on the hoof on phones that are subsidised so you've resorted to irrelevant and, frankly, erroneous 'factoids' which are quickly and easily dismissed whilst interspersing them with snide remarks and graphics to try and cover the fact that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I mean Norwhich for Christ's sake!
Then you go and commit the last act of the scoundrel - stating that I must hate the device because I don't think the sun currently shines out of its arse when, in fact, I actually probably care more about it than you because I want it to be the masterpiece of technology and usability it almost is and with a few modifications can be.
So you settle for a Beta if you want. I want my iPhone to be the defining cellphone of its generation and I'm not going to settle for less.
Clear?
Seriously dude, I'm not the one posting negativity on an iPhone forum, and doing nothing but flog a dead horse about 3G or the lack of it.
Your history of negative posts speaks for itself - you have an unhealthy fixation with 3G.
Sorry the facts didn't agree with you, and the the graphic from Voda caused such consternation.
Maybe if you ever:
a) get to use an iPhone
b) get to travel between the UK and US
you'll achieve a clearer perspective.
You're trying to argue with someone who has an iPhone, and who uses both the UK and US Cell networks - but you still want to argue anyway.
Your history of negative posts speaks for itself - you have an unhealthy fixation with 3G.
Sorry the facts didn't agree with you, and the the graphic from Voda caused such consternation.
Maybe if you ever:
a) get to use an iPhone
b) get to travel between the UK and US
you'll achieve a clearer perspective.
You're trying to argue with someone who has an iPhone, and who uses both the UK and US Cell networks - but you still want to argue anyway.
To All The iPhone Fan Boys............
I suggest you all go start your own thread. Call it everyingiPhoneaslongasitspositive.com. Moderate the heck out of it so that a negative word is never posted on the iPhone. You can all keep posting about how every feature is the greatest. Possible threads would be;
1) Extra battery? Who needs it!
2) 3G? Whats your rush, stop and smell the roses
3) Strange headphone port-I love it!
4) Navitgating between apps, the more clicks the better!
It would be great!
I suggest you all go start your own thread. Call it everyingiPhoneaslongasitspositive.com. Moderate the heck out of it so that a negative word is never posted on the iPhone. You can all keep posting about how every feature is the greatest. Possible threads would be;
1) Extra battery? Who needs it!
2) 3G? Whats your rush, stop and smell the roses
3) Strange headphone port-I love it!
4) Navitgating between apps, the more clicks the better!
It would be great!
I don't profess to be an expert on the european wireless market; so I don't know what sort of phones you have to compare it to. Though there seem to be two issues, one the hardware and two the network that you seem most concerned about. If the hardware will do what you want it to, then of course, the decision to switch is easy. If not, you might be best served with staying with your present phone.
In regards to 3G support versus Edge, in the US (and I know you don't really care about the US) Edge availability is more widespread, so even though 3G is available, I believe that Edge was a smart choice. As there would have been a ton of whineing from people that weren't in 3G locations about the inability to use the best features of the phone. Now the UK as you present is a different market. It's entirely possible that Apple could release the product with 3G versus Edge. That would make it better for your market.
All in all, I still believe that the iPhone is the defining cellphone, maybe not of a generation, that's a long time, but it is a work of art in so many ways even considering some of it's faults that people have with it. I hope that your wait will be rewarded with an iPhone that does have 3G. Good luck.
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