Official iPhone Update 1.1.1 Software Update Release Discussion

[snowcrash]

I don't think they're necessarily trying to kill third-party stuff... they just are.

Yeah your prob right. Though with the ringtones I think they might be trying because they would lose revenue.

Bad analogy. If you add bigger tires to your Jeep, you don't have to worry about Jeep releasing an upgrade that breaks compatibility with your tires... but if you put bigger tires on your Jeep and they released an updated Jeep with smaller wheel wells, you'd be out of luck in migrating your big tires to it, right? So you would have to choose not to upgrade, or to give up your third-party tires. Not their problem really... just your choice.

True, but if i snap my axle I'm not going to run to Jeep saying "This is your fault it broke you should have made it stronger to support the bigger tires I put on" Its my responsibility and if something goes wrong its my fault. Just like if I install something on my phone that bricks it, its not Apples fault its mine. But I do get your point, hope fully the new iPhone tires (AppTapp 2) comes out for us so we can migrate our apps back

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

I don't know that they are really... it's just that as a new piece of hardware/software, when they need to make changes they're pretty major an may or may not bust third-party stuff that they haven't authorized. I mean, if it's not their app how do they know whether their new patch will break it or not? I don't think they're necessarily trying to kill third-party stuff... they just are.

You are calling one new application and a double tap iPhone button shortcut a major system update that goes in a rewrites all of the code! I know that is exaggerating, I know you are not a developer so this is hard for you to understand, but for 1 updates don't work in that way, when something like updates and new features are added it doesn't break huge chunks of old code. It is simply adding new code and usually since the 3rd party apps don't call that code anyway, that code should not effect them. That is only based on when they re-write libraries or functions that effect the way the phone interprets code to begin with. These updates they are releasing currently have nothing to do with that. The fact that this update broke 3rd party updates was deliberate, just look at the fact that it immediately goes and deletes only Apptapp and apptapp programs. It took code to make the update do that. Trust us, it was deliberate.

/Just re-read all that and the way I worded it makes me sound like an idiot. lol but I hope you get the overall point and idea. I wish I was 1337 like all the r33l d3vs lol jk

 

[snowcrash]

You are calling one new application and a double tap iPhone button shortcut a major system update that goes in a rewrites all of the code! I know that is exaggerating, I know you are not a developer so this is hard for you to understand, but for 1 updates don't work in that way, when something like updates and new features are added it doesn't break huge chunks of old code. That is only based on when they re-write libraries or functions that effect the way the phone interprits code to begin with. These updates they are releasing currently have nothing to do with that. The fact that this update broke 3rd party updates was deliberate, just look at the fact that it immediately goes and deletes only Apptapp and apptapp programs. It took code to make the update do that. Trust us, it was deliberate.

Good point! didn't even look at it that way till you brought that up.

 

[arothman]

You are calling one new application and a double tap iPhone button shortcut a major system update that goes in a rewrites all of the code! I know that is exaggerating, I know you are not a developer so this is hard for you to understand, but for 1 updates don't work in that way, when something like updates and new features are added it doesn't break huge chunks of old code.

Actually, I work for a software firm, so I know how updates work. Sometimes you have to recompile parts of the code that, to the end-user, would appear to be unrelated to the new code, but they are. I'm not saying that they aren't intentionally blocking third-party stuff, I'm just saying they aren't necessarily doing it on purpose - it may simply be a side effect of recompiling the code for the new version.

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

Actually, I work for a software firm, so I know how updates work. Sometimes you have to recompile parts of the code that, to the end-user, would appear to be unrelated to the new code, but they are. I'm not saying that they aren't intentionally blocking third-party stuff, I'm just saying they aren't necessarily doing it on purpose - it may simply be a side effect of recompiling the code for the new version.

You just came back and body-slammed me with that first comment, but I still have you beat.
If that were the case, then all of our third party apps would still show up on the home screen, but if you clicked on any of them then the iPhone would crash. Trust me, it was intentional, any other questions?


Working for a software firm really doesn't give you any more credibility unless you are a developer which it doesn't seem that you are, but just in case you are. (most people should get this anyway)
your outcome != win

 

[coryt87]

You just came back and body-slammed me with that first comment, but I still have you beat.
If that were the case, then all of our third party apps would still show up on the home screen, but if you clicked on any of them then the iPhone would crash. Trust me, it was intentional, any other questions?


Working for a software firm really doesn't give you any more credibility unless you are a developer which it doesn't seem that you are, but just in case you are. (most people should get this anyway)
your outcome != win

lol this fight is so much fun to watch..anyone else?

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

step back, step back, you let me handle this cory
lol!

 

[snowcrash]

lol this fight is so much fun to watch..anyone else?

What did i start?!?!?!

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

dangit its been 15 minutes, guess I shouldn't have killed him so quickly. That was a pretty heavy last blow. Maybe he will make an amazing comeback though!

*All done in good fun*

 

[stevetim]

well I kept my expectations low but I'm still disappointed. The only thing I was looking forward to was the opportunity to download my podcasts directly to the phone. However it appears that since they are free Apple had no intention of providing me with this ability.

The only other update of any interest at all was the speakerphone improvement, but having trialed it i still have to hold the thing four inches from my ear. Sure am glad they took three months to get this shiite right!

I am disgusted with this pos device and pos company.

I would be happy to get $300 for it. Any takers?

Give it a chance.

There is not anything on the phone that is absolute like ipod's songs, artists, and such.

The tabs on the WiFi iTunes store are 'New Releases, What's Hot, Genres".

There is a chance that Apple could use the Genres tab to list 'Podcasts', not just music. Then from there it could break the podcasts down into subcategories.

Remember, we are accessing their store, it's not anything on our side keeping us from being able to access future podcasts with the 1.1.1 update.

 

[Shotta876]

OMG.. this is driving me CRAZY.

There has to be a way to switch back to 1.0.2? Wtf.

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

think again. Not YET. Something will be worked out evetnually, but as for right now, you can't.

 

[diverdown]

Ringtones--my experience

I performed the update last night and although my ringtones (used iPhonering tonemaker originally) were not listed in the ringtone list, they were still there for my contacts and they did work.

HOWEVER......once you perform a sync, they are then wiped out. So if you perform the update and want to keeo your ringtones, don't sync.

Honestly though I believe that the makers of the software will find a workaround and get the program working once again.

Other than that the update installed fine and the new updates work as advertised. With the exception of the few custom ringtones, my iPhone was not nodded.

~S

 

[Return_of_the_Mac]

The only thing I've used on my iPhone is the software iPhoneringtonemaker to add custom ringtones, is it safe for me to download this update to my phone or will it screw things up? I don't mind the ring tones disappearing because I know they'll probably update the software eventually, but I just want to make sure it's not going to kill my phone. I haven't done any modifications to it, other than adding ringtones.

 

[ZodiacfreaK]

No, you are safe to update, but your custom ringtones will disappear.

 

[diverdown]

The only thing I've used on my iPhone is the software iPhoneringtonemaker to add custom ringtones, is it safe for me to download this update to my phone or will it screw things up? I don't mind the ring tones disappearing because I know they'll probably update the software eventually, but I just want to make sure it's not going to kill my phone. I haven't done any modifications to it, other than adding ringtones.

As I noted above I too only used that software for ringtones and my iPhone came through with no problems. Your ringtones will make it through the update but will then disappear during your next sync.

~S

 

[greenjbhsd]

As I noted above I too only used that software for ringtones and my iPhone came through with no problems. Your ringtones will make it through the update but will then disappear during your next sync.

~S

Just hold off on the update until you see something on the iPhoneringmaker.com site. Once they have a solution you can then do the update. I will wait as long as I have to in order to have custom ringtones (iTunes are not custom, just song snippets) as I have now. It is not even the 10$ the software cost me, it is the fact that Apple gave us a crippled ringtone application/maker that prevents me from using theirs.

 

[coryt87]

I modded my phone with apps and ringtones. Will i be able to get them back after the update or no?

 

[diverdown]

I modded my phone with apps and ringtones. Will i be able to get them back after the update or no?

No. apps disappear during the update and ringtones disappear during the first sync after the update.

~S

 

[ucla24]

I modded my phone with apps and ringtones. Will i be able to get them back after the update or no?

NO...Do NOT update if you wish to keep them.